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|Tuesday, July 8th, 2008|
European Pagan Memory Day
"Historia magistra vitae", so Cicero defines history in his "De oratore". History, the memory of past events and processes as a warning for the future.
Those who want today define themselves pagan or link themselves back to old religions, can’t ignore the history they are making their own. As we can’t pretend that nothing has changed and create an utopia of past revival by deleting the historical distance between us and the ancient ones, since the essence of pagan religio is also to live it in everyday life, so we can’t ignore that distance, avoiding looking at the past, and so risking of repeating the same errors.
The memory, above all memory of past obstacles, is something fundamental and we absolutely can’t pretend not to see slaughterings and destructions occurred to pagan people during history. A pagan person who wants to call him/herself in this way can’t believe that an excuse is enough to rub off the dust of temples destroyed by Constance and his successors, the blood of Saxons exterminated by Charlemagne, the ashes of witches burnt on a stake. And s/he can’t also bear that this happens in society in which s/he lives.
To look for and to give knowledge of these facts: this is the aim of this proposal of a European Pagan Memory Day, a day in which we can remember horrors in order to not forget them. But also a day in which celebrate the rebirth of paganism, because if there is a Pagan Memory Day, there are Pagan people who remember.
So we need to choose a date that all groups across Europe can celebrate, with actions of divulgation above all, and with rites that everyone feel to. Maybe it’s possible to institute a date for every European country, fixing a significant date for each, and it’s desirable that each country really does this. But I want to propose a common date, that can be considered significant in the process leading to the annihilation of paganism in Europe, process that lasted, starting from this date even though it began much earlier, almost one thousand year. This date is the 24th February: it was the year 391 e.v. and in this day was enacted Theodosius’ edict which forbade all forms of cult and even to look at statues. Other edicts were enacted the same year, but what is most important of all, and that made me choose this day, is that in that year Vesta’s fire was set off in Rome’s temple. A sign of the obscurantism that started under Constantine and was destined to spread until its triumph in 1386 e.v., the year of official conversion of Lithuania, last pagan country in Europe; eleven years ago, last Hierophant of Eleusi had already announced it.
The institution of an European Pagan Memory Day is therefore important for reconstruction of paganism that must be done over the ashes, still hot, of what remains of ancient paganism. Agree to this initiative by signing the online petition and spreading knowledge about these fact and about paganism.
|Sunday, June 8th, 2008|
Prayers Needed for Ellada
I usually don't post to PolyGreeks because no one else does, though I know tthat there are plenty of Hellenic news and other topics that might be of interest to the group. But anyway, just posted the following to Hellenic Recons, Hellenic Pagan, Hercules Invictus and the Google version of PolyGreeks.
"*Please pass this along to any appropriate groups.*
It looks like there are more problems in Ellada today. As some of you may know, there have been several earthquakes this year, but so far, no one has died. This one was different.http://www.phantis.com/news/?newsID=2008060891506
I'm praying for the families and the people effected. I'm asking that you join me in these prayers and also in general ones for Hellas, particularly with the summer now upon us. I'd also like to make a special offering to The Gods and need some advice. I'm thinking of burning a large portion of high-quality steak and maybe libating with wine to ask for protection of the country. To whom should I sacrifice and what other offerings are appropriate? Btw, feel free to do the same or to honour Them in your own way. We need all the help we could get.
Thank you and blessings,
Tiffanitsa" Current Mood: somber
|Wednesday, February 13th, 2008|
Need Help With Books
I recently signed up with the home delivery program at my local library. This means that I can select titles and they'll deliver them to me for free as well as pick them up when I need to return them. Anyway, I sent the librarian a request for books on Greece from ancient times to the present day. As far as the ancient material, I'm lookng not only for academic books with good scholarship explaining how Hellenic Polytheism was practised then, but for accurate or at least decent translations of ancient texts. As for the other things, I'd like information on history and culture as well as some modern Greek literature in translation. Anyway, this is part of what she sent me.
"Of all our books on Greek mythology, the most promising seems to be "Greek Myths:
Gods, Heroes and Monsters," by Ellen Switzer. Its sub-subtitle is "Their Sources,
Their Stories, and Their Meanings." We also have Hamilton's and Bulfinch's books on
mythology, as well as several titles by Joseph Campbell.
Most of our books on Greek history cover the classical period.To name three: "A
History of Greece," by J. B. Bury, "The Peloponnesian War," by Donald Kagan, and
"The Visible Past: Recent Archaeological Discoveries of Greek and Roman History," by
Michael Grant. We have several titles on Byzantium. As for modern Greek history, I
would have to request something for you from another library. We also have books on the big names of classical literature: Homer, Euripides, Aeschylus, etc."
She also said that if they don't have certain titles, she could contact other libraries in the county to see what they have. My questions is are any of the works she suggested worth reading and can you recommend any other titles that I should read? Even if you don't think the libraries would have them because they're very specific, please tell me because I may be able to find them online for a good price. If you could think of any good books on Greece after antiquity, please let me know. I'm also looking for this one book but my information on it is very little. It's used by immigrants to practise for the proficiency in Greek language and culture examination. The book is called "A Brief History of Greeks and Their culture" and it consists of 108 pages. Right now, it's being revised, but I'd like the version with all the questions in it before I can no longer find it. Any help would be sincerely appreciated. The librarian said she can't get any books that weren't published in the United States. Finally, I'm very interested in making a list of modern books about Hellenic Polytheism, everything from hymns to essays to scholarship on how we follow The Gods today. My goal is to buy them and to donate them to my library so that others may be informed. It's not much, but it's a little something I'd like to do to spread knowledge of our religion. Thanks in advance for all your help.
Love and blessings to all,
|Wednesday, January 9th, 2008|
I was speaking with a friend last night and she said to me that I should really do some volunteering, to give back to the community. I think she's partly right. But I have a little problem. I want to give back to the Greek community around me. Unfortunately, the only way I see of doing that is by getting involved with the Greek Orthodox Church in some way. Of course, I don't mean by joining the religion, but I can't think of any other place where you'd find alot of Greeks. I have some serious reservations. Would it go against our religion or be insulting to The Gods if I did this? I mean, if I were to, say, help with a food drive or answer the phones or use my TESL certificate to help teach English in the afterschool program, it wouldn't be like I'm promoting the church right? But then again, I'd be helping my fellow-Greeks, which is the whole point of this. I already know that I want to donate alot of clothing to them, since I have no use for it. What about joining AHEPA? Are they really religious in nature or just Hellenic? Can anyone suggest anything else I could do?
PS. To those on LJ. I don't hate the Greek Orthodox Church and I don't wish anyone harm. It's just a very awquard situation.
Help Save The Temple of Artemis Agrotera
Here you go. This was originally sent to Hellenic_Recons By Nike Stamatiou.
"Dear Friends, Chaire!
Please check the link below, and sign the petition, to save the temple of Artemis Agrotera...
the site is written in Hellenic, below is the english translation..http://www.artemisagrotera.org/gr/petition.asp
is a dynamic site of information, communication, and active protest concerning the endangered archeological site of the 5 th B.C ionic temple of Artemis Agrotera on Ardittou St, Mets in the centre of Athens, created by the Citizens of Mets Initiative.
We are a diverse group of people concerned with cultural heritage and the environment and who react to incidents of destruction that occur in the area of Mets. The temple of Artemis is our most important issue presently and we have decided to put it on the net because we believe its scope extends beyond the boundaries of our neighborhood. The sacred site is endangered by a lobby of speculative real estate developers and perspective builders and a slackening in its protection by the state.
The purpose of this site is to inform all interested about the historical significance of the temple and to engender support via a petition. The signatures gathered will then be sent to the Greek Parliament and to the European Parliament with the request that:
The sacred site of the temple of Artemis Agrotera be finally expropriated, fully excavated, unified to the archeological sites adjoining it and opened to the general public, and this after over a century since it was first excavated in 1897 and over forty years since it was protected and first declared for expropriation in 1964.
The website will be open to your support and suggestions for action.
Modern Versus Ancient
Thinking of posting this to a few Hellenic places, along with the temple article that I mentioned, which I will post for you guys in the next entry..
This morning's post about the temple of Artemis brought back to mind something that's been bothering me for awhile. I first want to say that as both a Hellenic patriot and a Hellenic Polytheist, I understand the importance of such places, both to our culture and to our religion. And this is where the problem comes in. How do we balance the needs of the people today with those of the future? I'm not talking about building golf courses or condos. But what about hospitals, schools, houses? How do we decide which sites stay and which go, or do we keep them all. Obviously, they would never destroy places like the Parthenon or the Acropolis. They bring in too much money and are full of history and meaning. But what about the more minor ones? What about the places that aren't touristy? Religiously, what are our obligations to these places? Do we choose between jobs for today and preserving our culture for tomorrow? Is there a way to compromise? I'm especially curious to here from those who are not patriotic towards Greece. Do you still feel that you should do something to preserve our religious history? For those of us who are, whether in the diaspora or in Hellas, how do we help our fellow-Greeks to understand the importance of all of this, not necessarily on a religious level, but on a historical one? On the same token, if someone comes up to us and says "I'm hungry and want to feed my family, and they're building a hotel over there where I can work" how do we deal with that? The level of poverty in Greece is appauling and downright frightening, at least, according to this article.http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40033
It used to be that Greeks took great pride in everything ancient. But do you think that the level of self-pride has gone down for those in Greece today? Have they become so corrupted that they just want to keep up with the Jones's so-to-speak and neglect Greek contributions to the world or is there still a sense of importance about all of this? If not, I think we're in serious trouble. If we forget where we came from, what it means to be Hellenic, I honestly don't know what will happen to us.
Sorry for rambling. I just wanted to get my thoughts down and see what others thought.
|Thursday, November 29th, 2007|
An Interesting Post
I've taken the following, with permission, from newdance
I found it fascinating and wanted to share it. I don't know how to do ther "click here" thing where I insert a link and you'd click on it and be brought to the page, so I've put his website in the post instead and made reference to it in parenthesies at the end. Sorry about that. But everything else in the quotes is his work.
"@ 1:11am : Eris Came Bearing Quince
Once upon a time, the word “apple” was used to describe any old piece of fruit, not just the rose-related fruits known to English-speaking people to be available in varieties known as “Granny Smith” and “Braeburn”. It’s true, look it up.
Thus, the ancient Greek word that was translated as meaning “Golden Apple” in English did not mean “Yellow Delicious”. In modern English, it would more appropriately be translated as meaning “Golden Fruit”, but since English has this habit of both changing meanings of words at the drop of a pin and another bad habit of sticking with old translations, no matter how ridiculous it may make things read later, we English-speakers still read that Paris was chosen to judge “the fairest” Goddess by giving her a Golden Apple , which now lacks the extremely broad definition that it once had. We thus conjour up mental images of Eris tossing in a Yellow Delicious, a variety of rose-related fruit that did not exist in Homer’s time.
The old Greek kydonion malon , the term for the fruit now known as “Quince” in English, is a figurative term, compared to pomodoro , the Italian word for tomato with a literal translation to “apple of gold”. The fact that translations of Plutarch state that it is quince , not “apples”, that were a traditional wedding offering to Aphrodite in ancient Greece just further supports that the idea that Eris threw forth a golden “apple” which would soon spark the Trojan War is preposterous — she presented the Olympians with a Quince that bore the fated phrase “for the fairest”.
Now, in lieu of quince, an “apple” of modern definition may make an adequate substitute, as in the U$, quince are typically harder to come by and “apples” are cheap and plentiful. The fact that the modern “apple” is very closely related to quince and a botanical descendant of the ancient fruit is all the reason one needs to support its validity as a substitution — but it is in this author’s humble opinion that when and where available, the use of a quince is to be regarded as preferable to the modern apple substitute.
Originally published at
the Young Soul Rebel
You can comment here or
there. (meaning the site above)"
So as I said, I found it fascinating. I wonder what other things they mistranslated, if the modern English translations are any better and if the Modern Greek ones are closer to the original, since it's the same language in a different form? Ok, gotta do that lesson now. Btw, feel free to comment in this lj as well. I'd be interested in hearing what you had to say.
Geia sas. I just got back from the gynachologist. Got my projestin-only pills, got my anual tests now and after three months of not taking a drag, I put on some Stratos Pagioumtzis and Markos Vamvakaris and had a Karelia! I wanted to try that brand for a long time, and though it wasn't what I'd expected, I think the excitement was too much for me to judge either way. But the tobacco was really good, I know that much. Anyway, I'm back and man does it feel good!
Now I've got to finish a math lesson cause I promised the gods I would. But before that, I'm gonna post a separate and very interesting entry.
|Monday, November 26th, 2007|
My boyfriend Spiros pointed out to me the other day that many of the songs I like are kamelieriko zeibekiko. We both laughed, but as I began to listen to my tapes and mp3s, I realised he was right. I also realised I love palio zeibekiko and have to see how many of those I have and compare the rhythm with the newer style for the sound, but that's another story. lol So now I'm wondering. What's your favourite Greek dance rhythm? As an aside, he played pontiakos for me and that's got to be one of the most difficult rhythms I've ever heard. He was a professsional drummer and was also a musician in the Hellenic Air Force, so that probably helped, but I'm pretty good at that kind of thing myself and was lost.
Maybe, some of you can help. Posted this to hierarchy
Btw, I'm talking about Modern, not Ancient.
"Αα, βοήθισε με, σας παρακαλώ! I'm sooo confused. When I was in school, I basically tought myself grammar. We went over it a tiny bit, but not enough. I'd beg in high school for grammar sheets, and hardly get anything. I'd play for hours with my talking dictionary and learn that way. I even recall my French teacher having to stop in the iddle of a class because we didn't understand the grammar in English that she was trying to teach in French. Graduated college with a 4.0 gpa, everyone liked my work bla bla bla, and now I'm having trouble with the most beautiful language in the world because of my lack of grammar! I can't buy a print book because my scanner can't recognise two languages on the same page. So I've been taking thee wonderful lessons at
and everyone says I'm doing extremely well. But to be honest, some things just confuse me. I've pretty much figured out the objective case by hearing where it is and just learning what kinds of words go with it. But what's this genitive case? I like that I can figure things out, but Greek is my passion and I want to learn it correctly whether it's Demotiki, Koutsavakika or anything in between. So can anyone recommend a good grammar site, or an e-book or a teacher or does anyone have other suggestions for me? Thanks."
Getting It Together
*I originally posted this in the email list athttp://groups.google.com/groups/adult_confirm?_done=/group/polygreeks
but it's pretty fitting for this community as well, so I'm putting it here.*
It's been a long time since I've written in here, so much so that I was almost tempted to write xairete! But I'm hoping that we could still be friendly and not so formal. As you all know, we have a Livejournal and this email list, but hardly anyone ever posts in here. Ok, no one ever posts in here and I'd like to change this. So what kinds of things would you like to see? What can we talk about to get this community going? Don't forget, nothing here is offlimits. So news, politics, sports, music, religion, food, personal stories, whatever. If it's Greek-related, ancient or modern, bring it in and let's talk. Now how should we get started? Should I post prompts or news items or what? Sorry, but I just want to get this thing off the ground. Also, if you guys feel better in either the Livejournal or the email list, let me know and we could dump one, or if we're split we could keep both.
Blessings and talk soon,
Γεια σας. I posted this in hierarchy
Before starting, some of the rebetika links at my wannastart pages offer downloads, and the patriotic one linked to here has full songs. Please, I respectfully ask that if you're not ok with this, that you just skip or leave them alone.
"Geia sas. I'm honestly ashamed of this, but if I don't ask, I'll never know... I don't know the words to the national anthem! I know the melody and always stand when I hear it, but I want to learn the words before Independence Day. I have an mp3 with them, but it's difficult to hear them clearly. Anyway, can someone please post them for me in actual Greek (not Greeklish)? I'd sincerely appreciate it. Also, I'm sure it's in Katharevousa, but could you please use the monotonic system? Otherwise, my screenreading software will go nuts. I'll add to this post when it's done so the rest of you could relax. Thanks."
And someone in the former sent this wonderful link!http://www.matia.gr/7/78/7801/7801_1_1b.html
So now I can finally learn the words! It's fully screenreader accessible, using the monotonic system. Btw, here's the melody.http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/epiktitos/video/video.htm
If you want to hear the words sung, you want the National Hymn of Greece (A). The others are just the melody. Also, if you want to check out some really great Hellenic links of all kinds, go tohttp://wannastart.com/mypage.asp?site=Therebetisa&cat_id=5822&cat_Names=--
And for the religious stuff, go here.http://wannastart.com/mypage.asp?site=Therebetisa&cat_id=5823&cat_Names=--
Wannastart.com is a free tool to let you create your own start page, complete with custom categories. You can even add rss feeds! I found it awhile ago and love it. These are actually taken from my favourites, and the list keeps growing. So if you know of anything that may interest me, let me know. For now, though, happy listening.
|Sunday, November 25th, 2007|
Cards For Our Troops
Geia sas. I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this. The full holiday season will be upon us soon. I know that many Americans like to send cards to their soldiers, and I've been wanting to do something similar for the Hellenic armed forces for quite awhile now. I know we're not in a war, so it'll have to be a little different, but what kinds of things can I say in a card like that? `Also, where can I send them? Btw, I'm taking the idea of donating my clothing and other things to the local Greek Orthodox church. Thanks to the person who suggested that and thanks to all in general.
|Friday, November 16th, 2007|
Getting A Dog
After waiting for what seems like an eternity, Mom finally told me the words I've been waiting for. No, not "you're going to Greece" but "Tiffany, I think it's time to get you a puppy." This is to be a pet, not a guide dog. She kept saying maybe someday, not now, someday and it's now. We're getting him/her from the Northshore Animal League in Long Island because I refuse to buy a dog from a store, and there were over 900 puppies caught in this horrible puppy mill that were living in cages and abused. So Mom's going to adopt one for her and Joanie (her partner), but this one's mine. So, aside from looking for all natural food etc and gathering a list of Greek words to use in obedience training, I'm thinking of a name. Mom actually asked me if I was gonna name him Markos (after Markos Vamvakaris), but I said no I'd probably call him manga. If it's a girl though, I don't know what I'd call her (lol don't be a wise guy and say mangisa) and am looking for suggestions. It has to be something Greek, and can either be a person's name, a traditional dog name, something patriotic or something related to rebetika. I've actually heard that some people name their dog mavro, which made me laugh. But you'd have to know a little koutsavakika (manga slang) to know what I mean. To be honest, when she said girl, the name Αθηνά (Athena, with the accent on the last alpha so the personal name not the city) popped into my head. Is it appropriate to name your dog after a deity? Also, is there any Hellenic ritual that I can perform to ask the gods to bless the dog or to welcome him/her into my home?
|Monday, November 12th, 2007|
Before I truly beging this entry, let me say that I *did not* forget Oxi Day on the 28th of October, I merely forgot to post here, since I do it so rarely, though I'm gonna try to change that.
Geia sas.( A Little Ranting Behind the CutCollapse )
I honestly don't know why I wrote this now, but I do feel alot better. Do any of you feel the same way or have you in your lives? Btw, I'm really glad that a community like this exists for us.
|Monday, October 29th, 2007|
Hellenic Polytheistic Sites And Commentary
Geia sas. . This is in response to the last post. I normally would have put this in a comment, but I think the group will benefit from having this list here at the top of the journal. Plus, it's really updated since the last time I posted it. In any case, I can't say that these are exactly philosophical, but they do relate to Hellenic Polytheism. If you really are into things from more of an intellectual, check out the Hellenic Philosophy Symposium and Hellenic-Recons. They're both on the list. The views on these sites Do NOT necessarily reflect my own or those of the entire Hellenic Polytheistic community. Also, this is meant for informational purposes only, not to proselytise.( List Of Hellenic Polytheistic SitesCollapse )
If all of these things have got you wanting to read some of our sacred texts from ancient times or if you just like Ancient ancient Greek literature, try( These Four LinksCollapse )
If you have know clue what Hellenic Polytheism is and just joined cause you like Greek stuff but are curious, here's a comment that I made today in another community.( Read more...Collapse )
Ok, back to rebetika, coffee, cigs and great food for the rest of you! lol For those who read this entire entry, thank you. For those who didn't, I hope you got at least something out of it and no, entries will not be this long in the future.
|Thursday, October 25th, 2007|
Hello, just joined. I don't know if I missed you guys with my first search, but I am SO glad I found this community.
I am turning 30 in less than a month, I am married, have three cats, and am looking into reconstruction religions for a spiritual path.
I have been drawn to Hellene Reconstructionism due to my learning and taking a liking to the pre-socratic philosophers. I also enjoy learning about cosmology, metaphysics, and quantum physics, or at least as much as my right brained thinking can comprehend.
My exposure has been purely philosophical, so I am here to learn everything else.
That being said, I have zero Greek blood. I am also open to Celtic Recon., as I am mostly Irish and English, but due to the deep philosophical and metaphysical roots found in ancient Ionic and Greek society, I an intellectually drawn to Greek Recon. I am trying to stay open to both right now, though due to graduate school, I am more exposed to Greek philosophy than Celtic.
If anyone could recommend some good and philosophically-dense introductions for me to read over the holidays, I would really appreciate it.
|Wednesday, October 24th, 2007|
Geia sas. I just wrote to a few places to promote this community, so hopefully, we'll get more people soon. If you're a new member, please write a little bit about yourself and/or one of your related interests so we can get a discussion going. Also, feel free to promote this community in all appropriate places. That said, happy blogging!
Geia sas. I know I haven't posted in awhile, and this group is kind of dead, but I figured I'd write about this very interesting thing. I'm also hoping to get more people and more discussion in here! Anyway, here's a post that I made to a few Hellenic groups.
"*Crossposted, sorry if you see this more than once.*
I just woke up from a very strange dream. It started out almost like a story, as if I were watching it on tv. Anyway, it was about this "uneducated man" that's how it was said who had a goat. He loved the goat so much that he began taking classes for adult literacy because he couldn't read and wanted to know how to take care of this goat, which was strange because he was a farmer, but anyway. During one of them, the teacher asked something about animals, and he said that he loved his goat more than anything "he's like my seeing-eye" whatever that means. Anyway, the teacher told him that he couldn't keep the goat, and the man said something like "I'm gonna do everything I can to keep my goat". I forget the last thing, but it was sort of like, if he leaves, at least I know I took care of him. The dream ended with the goat escaping, but it was made clear that he would continue visiting the old man and that they had a special bond and of course, the man could now read.
When I woke up, I started thinking of Dionusos and this past weekend, another strange thing happened. I was with my boyfriend Spiros and when he opened a window, either there was a fig there or he picked one directly from the tree that grows right outside. Anyway, he brought it to me and we had it just like that. I'd never had a fresh fig and it was amazing. Spiros said to me that he'd never heard of figs in October, but that he'd heard of them in May and June through August. Anyway, after that, I kept thinking of Dionusos and wondering if it was a sign from him. Last night, I had some very weighty matters that I wanted to ask the god about, through one of his best oracles, and then this dream came. I don't fully understand it, but I think it's meant to be an answer to my questions. My boyfriend is 62, so he is much older than I at 23 and the man in the dream was older as well. It could have something to do with us, or with our future plans. But now I'm also wondering if Dionusos is trying to contact me and to make his presence known in my life. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas of what's going on? I'd be very interested in learning more.
Thanks and blessings,
|Wednesday, August 29th, 2007|
Taken from a post on Hellenic Recons. Here's the account number to which you could send any donations. Don't add the quotes of course. You could also send money from abroad to this number.
"IBAN : GR 6701200010 000000086181428
SWIFT CODE EMPOGRAAXXX
the account is called ELLINIKO DIMOSION LOGARIASMOS AROGIS PYROPLYKTON
that means Greek Public Acount for helping the victims of fire"